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Fred & Renee Abbott
Monday, 02 August 2010 13:46
Our blessings of thanks for all your genuine persistence. We continue to keep all of you and all travelers in our thoughts and prayers. May God continue to bless all of you.
Monday, 02 August 2010 11:18
Congrats on the passage of HR 5900. I am happy to see the changes for the industry, and for those impacted by loss of loved ones on Colgan Flight 3407. -Author "Squawk 7700" www.squawk7700.com (Watch for the printed release Sept 1st, 2010)
Monday, 02 August 2010 09:06
You did it!!! Thanks to all of you and your efforts....As a frequent flyer... we will all be safer
Monday, 02 August 2010 06:28
Regardless of the true impact of the new law, the families and friends who worked so hard to make their voices heard are to be admired for their courage and determination. I moved away from Buffalo 17 years ago, but it will always be home, and Im proud of the people who got this done. To those who say we cannot, I say, anything can be done when people with conviction, backbone and spirit set to the task. Bravo! The work continues. God bless you all.
Monday, 02 August 2010 05:30
I may agree with the "angered pilots" below, but they are both wrong on one count, and that is the regional airlines have most definitely hired first officers with less than 300 hours. I think my company hired several with 200 hours, since you can get a commercial with 180 hours if under part 141 training. The hour requirements do not increase safety, but to the misinformed, they seem to make things safer. It is our failure to educate that has created this bill. It is quality, not quantity that matter. Unfortunately, 1500 hours flying a banner does not prepare someone to fly an airliner. This law will eventually be massaged, but until then, it will put some airlines out of business in a few years as the pilot supply gets tight. Good luck.
Angered Commercial Pilot
Sunday, 01 August 2010 04:58
This bill is unbelievale! This is what happens when people that no nothing about the way our Professional World works pretend they understand so that they can feel better about their own loses. This needs to be reconciled and severly changed. These ideas not only dont work, they are stupid. The only part of it I remotely like are the fatigue rules. Bascially, and I hope they are happy, this what they have done: 1. Now, because and ATP is required, people will not wait until they are at a regional airline to get one in the aircraft they will be flying passengers in. They will simply take the test in the same light twin they got their commercial in. (does this sound safer?) 2. Like the previous comment mentioned, no airline hired anyone with 250 hours!!!! 3. also those not in the flying biz dont understand that 1500 hours doesnt come from training in an airliner, nor is that commonly enough hours to even meet ATP minimums because of a 500 hour x-country requiement. That means that all pilots to meet these minimums must waste time and money teaching students in an environment that has nothing to do with airline operations and that A LOT of people just dont want to be in. These are just a couple reason why this is stupid and will not work. If you dont understand aviation and what we go through (and I assure you, it is certainly not easy to get onto an airliners flight deck - and stay there) you really need to do your homework before something like this is done and unfortunately that didnt happen. We also need to be careful not scare people away from aspiring to attain a flying career. With pilot school enrollment already at a 10 year low this grow to a real problem. I hope something happens to change this.
Saturday, 31 July 2010 17:34
Angered Pilot- Get a grip. This ATP provision wasnt the families idea. It was written by the House of Representatives Aviation Subcommittee because of the input of ALPA and CAPA. That is correct - this was a pilot-driven law. THAT MEANS THEY DID ASK MANY PILOTS. Their rationale was that this was the only way to force the airlines to pay regional airline pilots more than 20k and hopefully keep regional airline pilots from leaving the industry. So lay off the families who actually had the guts to fight for something and read your union newsletters.
Saturday, 31 July 2010 15:19
This proves you people havent done ANY homework on this subject. To get a Commercial LICENSE you need 250 hours. But no airline in the world will hire you with just 250 hours. 1000 hours was always the magic number, and more recently this got upped to 1200. Personally, I see no success here, mainly because pilots who do wish to enter these sorts of companies, usually wind up flying dangerous and unsavory jobs with horrific schedules to get these hours. I am one of those pilots, who is just nearing the magic number, and Ive been stuck in a job that I HATE for a year already, dreaming of finally moving on, and this comes around. To me, this sounds like another year stuck in a low paying, dead-end job where unreported/televised accidents occur everyday just so you people feel as though youve accomplished something "good". What needs to be changed is training and rest hours to help with fatigue, but the hour requirements were just fine where they are at right now. It seems more dangerous to raise them to me since they will enter the industry exhausted after killing themselves to get there, and then as first officers, many may need to take on part-time work just to make ends meet because the pay to begin with isnt great. Next time, actually ask a pilot, and save the mass of them these heartaches. Bull to all of you.
Nothing but truth
Friday, 30 July 2010 11:59
Lives will not be saved charlie Accidents are just a part of life, auto, boats, planes, bridges collapsing, etc More lives will be lost from another regional airline accident whenever that happens. I cant wait to see what everyone who supported this bill has to say when mr/miss +1500 hrs of flight time pilots are in the accidenet.
Friday, 30 July 2010 08:42
Families of Continental Flight 3407 Congratulations on your victory which exemplifies participating in a Democracy. I got the ball rolling with the FAA/NTSB telling the truth, then everyone pulled together and demanded change, Chuck did his part in getting the bill written, and then both Democrats and Republicans came together and got it passed for Barack to sign. During the last three years I have seen challenges in getting legislation passed, and your determination is testament to Americans throughout this country. Best Regards, 45Th President of the United States Chris
Friday, 30 July 2010 02:02
Legislation passed!!! This will undoubtedly save lives.
Thursday, 29 July 2010 18:50
I should have said the same priority as Commercial Truck Drivers, not that one is a higher priority than another. I hope that the rest requirements are changed soon to prevent similiar accidents. Additionally I do support a higher time requirement for pilots hired by the airlines as well as specialized training. My thoughts and prayes go out to the family and friends of this preventable accident.
Thursday, 29 July 2010 14:28
Thank you for your efforts to contibute to aviation safety. It seems the politicians have missed the fatigue issue once again. As an airline pilot, I can tell you we are operating on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and it is perfectly legal. Please do what you can to help the rest requirements to be changed to something giving pilots satisfactory rest. I know that Im flying fatigued, but the Federal government regulations allow my company to push me to these limits. Please continue to push for safe rest requirements. Commercial Truck Drivers have more stringent rest requirements than Air Transport Pilots. You would think that a person responsible for up to 300 lives in the air would be given a higer priority. Thank you families for your continued effort to improve aviation safety.
Thursday, 29 July 2010 05:31
My thoughts and prayers go out to all of the family members affected by this trajedy. I have met a couple of you and am very honored to have done so. I worked with the company for four years and left shortly after this incident to come to Buffalo to show my support and love for those families and my friends who were the crew members on that plane. The fight is almost over....stay strong and continue to move forward so other families will not have to experience the same grief that we all have.
Wednesday, 28 July 2010 07:12
Tamera, I am sorry that you found my offensive. I certainly didnt mean it to. As a matter of fact, the Captain that was riding in the back of the airplane (Joe Zuffoletto) was a good friend of mine that I literally was going to be attending a safety seminar with just days after the crash occurred. Your response is based on emotion and an obvious lack of knowledge, background, history and understanding of what are causal factors in accidents. Specifically, airline accidents. I never asserted that Colgan Air should not be held accountable for this accident. Flight 3407 and its aftermath have been politicized and the families are suffering even more because of it. In their sincere belief that government was actually going to step in and make serious changes to how airline operate. The problem in the airline industry, and the regional airline sector goes far deeper than what is readily apparent to the flying public. Pilots will still be flying fatigued, and under even more pressure than they are under. So, if an honest assessment of the state of the industry offends you. So be it. To me IT IS personal.
Tuesday, 27 July 2010 09:18
R.H. Do you have any idea how offensive your post is? 3407 stands out and alone as the most blatent lack of situational awareness in the history of commercial air travel. A pitch up so high at the final approach fix that by FAA definitions it would qualify as an aerobatic maneuver; Followed by full rudder inputs left and right, stop to stop; Finally putting the aircraft into a spin while th FO did nothing to stop him. Are you serious or deluded? You are trying to paint this into the fabric of accidents happen and Colgan is not to held accountable because of accounting or lessons were learned also back in the 60s. NEWSFLASH: We are not in the 60s. How would you like some medical care from the 60s to deal with cancer?
Monday, 26 July 2010 14:59
I first want to express my sincere condolences to the family members, friends and loved ones of those lost in the crash of 3407. Like all accidents, they catch us all by surprise, then grief and ultimately anger. I dont blame anyone for being angry, nor do I think your efforts to improve safety in the airline industry are unfounded. Unfortunately, we are dealing with political and economic realities both in industry and government. The FAA under its charter is tasked with promote air commerce AND safety. This is because the reality is that the FAA must evaluate every proposed rule-making change from a cost vs. benefit standpoint. What this translates into is that there is a dollar value placed on human lives saved over the long run vs. how much it will cost the industry. 3407 was a tragic accident, and like all accidents there is a chain of events that led to its occurance. At face value, it appears to be a heinous accident that should never have occurred and the causal factors rest squarely on the airline itself. I am not defending the company, because I work there, but I am going to say that in the history of airline accidents at both "regional" and "mainline" carriers. I can count many more than a handful that were a direct result of negligence, corruption and corporate greed. I am not going to even attempt to cite them all, but if you research airline accidents since 1960 when the jet age really took hold it wouldnt be difficult for me to assert what MANY pilots at a major will tell you. It is the same crap with these companies too. I applaud your efforts to improve airline safety, but in echoing the sentiments of some other people who have posted here. This legislation isnt going to make the skies any safer. Much in same way that the TSA creates a false sense of security in preventing terrorism. A pilot with an ATP will also create a false sense of security about the competence of the crew. We dont need another fatigue study to tell us that pilots are fatigued. It has been done numerous times with the same conclusions. Simply a waste of taxpayer dollars to conclude the obvious, 16-hour duty days, stand-up or continuous duty overnights are fatiguing. We will STILL have the usual players...Controlled Flight into Terrain, Runway Incursions, etc... I hope that you dont think that I dont want to see change or that I am denying there was a problem at Colgan Air. WE that work there ALL recognize that, BUT as the saying goes...The more it changes, the more it stays the same. People will soon forget the memories of those lost on 3407 just as they did in Lexington, KY. It is you, the ones that lost your loved ones that have to wake-up to the reality that the flying public has a very short memory and politicians really only are attracted to the issues that put them in the limelight. Lastly, irregardless of what happened in Buffalo. Some of the best pilots in the industry do fly at Colgan Air. Flying in demanding conditions, poor weather, ineffective and indifferent management and in the final analysis a pretty ungrateful flying public... I pray that the souls of those lost rest in peace and that their loved ones find solace that WE that fly at CJC will NOT forget them. Colgan Air SAAB 340 First Officer
Saturday, 24 July 2010 13:54
Does anyone know the status of this? Has anything changed? In the wake of the Colgan Air Flight 3407 accident, US lawmakers are urging regulatory authorities to study the impact of long-distance commuting on pilot fatigue. During a recent hearing of the Senate commerce, science and transportation committee, Senators pressed officials from the US FAA and National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) to undertake a widespread study of airline pilots to establish what connection, if any, exists between commuting pilots and fatigue. Findings of the NTSB investigation following the February 2009 accident of a Colgan Air Bombardier Q400 that crashed on approach to Buffalo concluded that inappropriate pilot response to a stick shaker stall warning was found to be the probable cause of the accident. Additionally, the NTSB found that the crew was "likely fatigued" at the time of the accident after the captain spent the two of the three nights prior to the crash sleeping in the airlines crew lounge and the first officer was commuting from her home in Seattle the night prior. "Unfortunately, in the aviation industry, fatigue-related decisions by operators and pilots - such as minimum crew hires, flight crew schedules and commuting - are decisions that too often reflect the economics of the industry, rather than the data and science of fatigue and human performance," says NTSB. "It seems unlikely to me that this is the only circumstance and maybe this has become a practice and this has to stop," says Subcommttee Chairman Byron Dorgan (D-ND). NTSB chairman Deborah Hersman explains the board esimated during its investigation that 70% of Colgans pilots commuted to the airlines Newark Liberty International Airport base, and 20% were commuting from a distance of 1600km (1000 miles) or more. "Until we know how widespread this is, we cant really fix the problem, and neither can the carriers" says Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC). "Just because the safety record is good, it doesnt mean the pilots are rested." Peggy Gilligan, FAAs associate administrator for aviation safety, acknowledges that the relationship between commuting and pilot fatigue is of great interest to regulators, but cautions that any potential rulemaking regarding pilot commuting must take into account pilot concerns about forced relocation that could cause personal and economic hardship. As part of its investigation, the NTSB recommended that the FAA require all scheduled and non-scheduled operators to "address fatigue risks associated with commuting, including identifying the number of pilots who commute, establishing policy and guidance to mitigate fatigue risks, using scheduling practices to minimize opportunities for fatigue, and develop or identifying rest facilities for commuting pilots.
Thursday, 22 July 2010 18:02
PS> I completely understand your grief. And I understand your desire to fix the system. I applaud that, in fact. I just feel that some of the measures in this bill do nothing to increase safety, but do a lot to harm the industry. More could be done in the realm of fatigue management, safety management systems, and other programs within the airlines. Internal training standards could be tightened up, and that could go a long way to weeding out the bad apples. Again, I appreciate your efforts to improve the industry I work in. I want it to be better, and I want it to be safe. So lets all work together to put forth measures that actually increase the safety of the operation, instead of those that dont.
Thursday, 22 July 2010 17:54
I know it is unpopular with this group, but the hour requirement will do nothing to increase safety, but it will put some airlines out of business in a couple of years. Quantity of hours are irrelevant. The quality of the hours is extremely important. A pilot who learns to fly at a school dedicated to training professional pilots, who then gets tailored training specific to the airline environment is better suited at 250 or 300 hours to flying in the part 121 world than someone with 1500 or 2000 hours who flew pipeline patrol, or towed banners for a couple of summers in Orlando. It is the equivalent of saying someone who drives on rural highways for 1500 hours would be a better driver in Manhattan than someone who learned to drive in Manhattan, but had only driven for 300 hours in Manhattan. Ill take the New York guy every time. And you would be smart to choose the 300 hour pilot who knows how to fly in the airline environment too. Unfortunately, the new rules coming down are the result of appeals to emotion, not rational discussions on what is best for safety. Hopefully this will be fixed sometime soon by cooler heads. Sincerely, An Airline Pilot